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Dear Tsering,I hope this letter find you well and happy. I'm responding to recent comments you made on Tenzin Peljor's blog 'refuting' the points made by Shugden practitioners on various Western Shugden Society websites.In general, I find your letter to be defensive and high in accusatory rhetoric but low in references and logic that refute these claims by the Western Shugden Society. Just saying that someone is wrong does not make them wrong, and just saying that someone is right does not make them right. This is the main problem with the Dalai Lama's claims about Dorje Shugden for example – everyone believes him although he has provided no actual evidence. Such blind belief is not acceptable in Western countries where we like to examine evidence and think for ourselves. This also used to be the case for Gelugpas in the Tibetan tradition in previous times. Sadly, now, the Dalai Lama's word is truth and law and not questioned by most (not that they have any power if they disagree.)You have provided no evidence to refute the points made by the Western Shugden Society. For example, with respect to the Dalai Lama coming from a Muslim village, Taktser, the only thing you say is:Moreover, by calling Taktser, the hamlet in Amdo Kubum where His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama was born, as a Chinese Muslim village is implying that the area belonged to China, thus flagrantly contradicting the historical facts and holding out the historically Tibetan area to PRC.If I understand you correctly, the only thing you are refuting is that Taktser is Chinese. It is agreed that at the time when the Dalai Lama was discovered, the village was, indeed, in Tibet. However, you have not given any evidence to refute that the Dalai Lama is from a Muslim village and family, so I can only assume that you accept this as true.I'm personally not familiar with the booklet you quoted, 'Expressing the Ocean of Truth'. You say it is an anonymous publication, but, if so, that is hardly surprising. You cannot be unaware that if someone in feudal Tibetan society speaks out against the Dalai Lama, they can put themselves in grave personal danger. For example, it is well known that the 9th Panchen Lama had to flee Tibet in 1924 in fear of his life for having offended the 13th Dalai Lama. Gunthang Tsultrim was shot in 1976, allegedly for opposing the Dalai Lama's plans to unite all four schools of Tibetan Buddhism under him. Such retribution for opposing the Dalai Lama is well known. Tibet was no Shangri-la and certainly no democracy. There are many bloody tales of revenge in Tibetan history.You attribute this book to Shugden practitioners, but on what evidence? This is like the TGIE accusing Shugden practitioners of murdering Ven Lobsang Gyatso and his assistants while providing no evidence. Shugden practitioners have been providing a useful scapegoat for the Dalai Lama and his followers for everything that goes wrong in Tibetan society, and congruent with that is the fact that anyone who dares criticize the Dalai Lama is immediately assumed to be a Shugden practitioner and/or the PRC! However, it is clear that it is not just Shugden practitioners who are critical of the Dalai Lama and unhappy with the direction he has taken, both secular and religious. There are documents and articles written by Tibetans that are implicitly, if not explicitly, critical of the Dalai Lama. The Mongoose Canine letter is explicitly critical, but there is also a growing amount of implied criticism on the Internet.
For example, there are many now who recognise the need for a genuine democratic system of government for the Tibetan people, and they aren't getting it. In an article about the separation of religion and politics, Samten Karmay says:
The separation of church and state does not imply abandoning the practice of the established religion. Far from it, it secures freedom of religious exercise and therefore the right of personal choice whether one wishes to practice a religion or not.
A secularization of the exiled community should contribute towards solving the unending sectarian problems and lead to true unity amongst the Tibetan people, without any further religious interference in the political domain.
Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them Dalai Lama is responsible for this.
This goes to show how crazy this situation is – it's the complete opposite of what it should be. Your complete lack of empathy for the Shugden monks displays your single minded devotion to the Dalai Lama and your lack of understanding of what he's doing to them. Why should the Shugden monks fear a famous Buddhist Teacher who preaches love, compassion, tolerance and acceptance unless he isn't practising what he's preaching? This is sad, but true.It's laudable that the Dalai Lama is coming to the monasteries to grant ordination to those who could not afford to travel to Dharamsala, but how many of those would-be monks will be Shugden practitioners? The answer is “none” because he refuses to ordain anyone who practises Shugden. Denying ordination to those who practise Shugden unless they give up their practice is yet another despicable method of control.
Then you say:Thirdly, whereas the retaliating against the actions of Shugden supporters is concerned, it would have been done a long time back if it were not His Holiness the Dalai Lama's advice to His followers to observe restraint.The Dalai Lama started this problem and I don't see any restraint from his side. There was no restraint when he split the monasteries this year, precipitating the formation of the Western Shugden Society, their letter and demonstrations against the Dalai Lama's ban. Can't you see that the Dalai Lama is the one responsible for fomenting all this conflict and misery?Please quote passages from his speeches where he said not to harm Shugden practitioners. Let's see some evidence. Rather, there is evidence for the opposite:
Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them Dalai Lama is responsible for this. Shugden followers have resorted to killing and beating people. They start fires. And tell endless lies. This is how the Shugden believe. It is not good.
Therefore you NKT/WSS people ought to be careful––New Yorkers are restrained compared to the reception you may get if you persist in staging media stunts in future, if you get thrashed, you may regret not heeding this tip.
Reporter: Why don't you simply advise people not to worship the deity Dorje Shugden and instruct others to be tolerant and avoid violence towards those who continue to worship it? Dalai Lama: Nobody harming! Nobody harming on them! Reporter: But I've seen the calls for violence in the newspapers Dalai Lama: No, no, no Reporter: I've seen it with my own eyes Dalai Lama: No, I think rumors!
This meeting could have been both special and historic, if we had taken the bold and painful step that I believe is unavoidable: To allow the Dalai Lama to retire into the religious sphere, and set the stage for the separation of religion and politics.
On Behalf of Concerned Dorje Shugden Practitioners in Europe and India
(The author first offered this open letter to Tenzin Peljor's comments section (on his anti-Shugden website, Western Shugden Society Unlocked), but Tenzin Peljor declined to post it. He claimed that Tsering had sent his letter originally to this blog, but we never received anything from Tsering.)
Thank you for this letter. The Dalai Lama followers certainly can think whatever they want about Dorje Shugden practitioners, even without good reasons or supporting evidence… just believing the Dalai Lama’s speech. It is just incredible how they “try hard” to evade and ignore the facts, like the religious and government actions derived from the Dalai Lama’s decision to stop practicing Dorje Shugden. All these have harmed a lot of innocent people but for them is paramount to save the Dalai Lama’s “good” image/power. What is going to give them the Dalai Lama’s “good” image and power? Nothing, perhaps just a temporary lifestyle.How can harming innocent people be right? … is it just because they believe in Dorje Shugden? Really?Under which law the Dalai Lama or his followers will be enforcing the signed promises not to practice Dorje Shugden or have any relationship with Dorje Shugden practitioners? The law of the TGIE? The law of India? The law of karma? The Dalai Lama looks like a Trojan horse gift… presented like nice present – a humble Buddhist monk – but inside… it certainly transpires fear and even hate to others. Haven’t you noticed? For example, check Tenzin Peljor’s web activities against Dorje Shugden and the NKT (which is mainly a safe-harbor for the Dorje Shugden practice). It is understandable that the Dalai has been in a “nothing left to lose” political and religious situation, but harming others will give him and his followers nothing, or at least nothing good. So the Dalai Lama is heading himself and leading his followers from a “nothing left to lose” situation for himself to a “nothing to win” situation for all… so what is the message? Well, it looks like now, close to his retirement, the Dalai Lama has been also preparing to “sink the boat” if necessary. Let’s keep purifying and praying for all to find a safe-harbor and refuge in the Three Jewels.
Here is an article about the Dalai Lama's autocratic use of power and other subjects:http://tibatall.blogspot.com/2008/12/autocratic-nature-of-dalai-cliques.htmlIt points out that in November, when Tibetans held a special meeting on Tibet's future, the first of five decisions of the meeting called for the Dalai Lama's continued leadership of Tibet's political and religious cause. The second called for "all Tibetans" to respect and support any decisions made by the Dalai Lama at anytime. The decisions further ensured the "legal validity" of his continued powers.These points have all been reported elsewhere. This article may be Chinese, but it does have a lot of truth in it.
Check out this article too, "Sad Destruction in Manali": http://dorjeshugdentruth.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/sad-destruction-in-manali/The author says:"Who would ever have thought that we would see Buddhists destroying images of a Buddha under the orders of the most famous Buddhist in the world? Perhaps it’s just a bad dream."I pray this nightmare is quickly over and everyone may be allowed to practice their spiritual tradition in peace and harmony.
Chattel is all Dalia considers his brethern to be in the end. He is content to allow the sheep follow him wherever he wishes.His lastest joke of assembling the herd to represent some type of concensus or democratic process assembly was disgusting.The Tibetans are as ususal are without a clue whatsoever as to the ruse they willingly take part in is but a charade. If even 1% of them understand the difference between religion and politics would be a generous assesment of their dilemma.For myself, I find his TGIE no better than the Italian Mafia Costra Nostra Brotherhood. I see nothing other than threats and intimidation to control others. The Dalia lama is a 'Dick' and appears to be just as the head Mafia Boss.Just like a Mafioso. Perhaps the Indian Government will issue Justice to those who violate her Constitution, like the Dalia and his side kick, Samdung havedone by violated others Freedom to Believe as they choose,and not as they dictate? Dalia Lama is quite simply a Dictator. No worse nor better than any other Dictator in history. Just a man who believes he is different than others and should control them for their own good. A 'Beneficent Dictator, but still a Dictator.I find his actions and words disgusting. He has become an embarassment to witness.
For those encountering this for the first time and wondering what is going on, here is a simple sort of explanation written by a non-Shugden practitioner on another blog:http://rabbirami.blogspot.com/2008/08/whats-up-shug-dalai-lama-vs-dorje.html
Bokyi Bangchen (Tibetan Newspaper) Dorje Shugden Update In the Colonies of Medievalism2008-12-27, DharamshalaPage: 8Except:Dawa Sangpo, the disciplinarian of Gaden Jantse monastery said to the reporter: “As for the past years, there were many who attended Jamyang Gunchoe (Winter Debate Session); however no good quality was there because of the integration of Dholgyal worshippers and non-worshippers. Then, His Holiness the Dalai Lama came here and gave profound instructions; accordingly the monasteries voluntarily complied with the diktat; and have separated moustache and mouth. Therefore we all are comfortable now.” “Three great seats, Tashilunpu, Rathoe, and Upper and lower tantric college; these monasteries have attended before. This time, we have additional attendee, such as Dhakpo Dratsang, Namgyal Daktsang, Zonkhar choede, and Drikung Kagyu from other tradition. Not only that, it was successful in terms of the discussion on how to study together, disciplinarian and behaviors and so on. In future, we have strong hope that all Sakya, Kyagyu, Nyingma, Gelug, and Bonpo would come and attend together”Brainwashed Serfs & Slaves of Medievalism speak from the pig pens!
Masood Butt is a Tibetan, living in India. But, unlike most other Tibetans in exile, who are Buddhists, Butt is a Muslim. However, apart from his faith, there is little else to distinguish Butt from other Tibetans. He follows Tibetan customs, speaks the language fluently and regards the Dalai Lama as his leader. Yet, Butt's community — the Tibetan Muslims — are little known in India, even though they have shared with their Buddhist brethren, the plight of leaving their homeland. And they have been living in India for the last 50 years."Like other Tibetans, our community, too has faced tough times and undergone great mental and physical strain," says Butt, who now works with the Dalai Lama's office in Dharamsala. The story of the Tibetan Muslims is that of a unique community, that has blended different cultural strains to forge a distinct identity, that has been kept alive even in the face of adversity. What is interesting to know is that Islam arrived almost a 1000 years ago in Tibet — a region that has always been synonymous with a monolithic Buddhist culture. How the first Muslim settlers reached Tibet is an interesting tale. Sometime in the 12th century, it is believed, a group of Muslim traders from Kashmir and Ladakh came to Tibet as merchants. Many of these traders settled in Tibet and married Tibetan women, who later converted to the religion of their husbands. Author Thomas Arnold, in his book, The Preaching of Islam says that gradually, marriages and social interactions led to an increase in the Tibetan Muslim population until a sizable community came up around Lhasa, Tibet's capital. "The Tibetan government allowed the Muslims freedom to handle their own affairs, without any interference. This enabled the community to retain their identity, while at the same time absorbing traditional Tibetan social and cultural traditions," says Butt. The Tibetan Muslims followed the occupation of their ancestors and were mainly traders, who owned successful businesses. The community also contributed to Tibetan society and culture in many ways. For instance, the first cinema hall in Tibet was started by a Tibetan Muslim businessman. Also, Nangma — a popular classical music form of Tibet, is believed to have been brought to Tibet by the Muslims. In fact, the word 'Nangma' is said to be derived from the Urdu word, 'Naghma', which means song. "These high-pitched lilting songs, developed in Tibet around the turn of the century, were a craze in Lhasa, with musical hits by Acha Izzat, Bhai Akbar-la and Oulam Mehdi on the lips of almost everyone," says Butt. Many Tibetan scholars have commented on how religions as diverse as Islam and Buddhism could co-exist in peace in a traditional society such as that of Tibet. The credit for this, some feel, goes to religious leaders like the Dalai Lama, who took the lead in fostering this spirit of brotherhood. For instance, a history of the Tibetan Muslim community published some years ago relates how during the 17th century, the fifth Dalai Lama readily agreed to give the Muslims land within Lhasa for building a mosque. The story goes that when a delegation of Muslims approached the fifth Dalai Lama for space for a mosque and a burial ground for their community, the Dalai Lama shot an arrow, with the promise that the place where the arrow fell would belong to the Muslim community. The place later came to be known as Gyangda Linka or the park of the distant arrow. Tibetan Muslims also enjoyed other special privileges in Tibet. For instance, they were exempted from the 'no meat rule' when such a restriction was imposed in the rest of Tibet, during the holy Buddhist months. Besides, their commercial enterprises were exempted from taxation. All these special privileges, however were withdrawn, soon after the Chinese occupied Tibet in 1959. Most of the Tibetan Muslims, consequently, opted to leave rather than live under the Chinese occupation. Those who were able to cross over to India, settled in the border towns of Kalimpong, Darjeeling and Gangtok. Later, the community gradually started moving to Kashmir — the land from where their ancestors had gone to Tibet in the 12th century. In fact, the move to Kashmir was significant, says Butt. Even in Tibet, the Muslims were identified as Kashmiris, since Kashmir was known to Tibetans as Khache Yul and Tibetan Muslims were referred to as Khache. Thus, their status was that of a foreigner, even when they were in Tibet. On the basis of their Kashmiri ancestry, the Tibetan Muslim families who came back to Kashmir after 1959, were given Indian citizenship. Many of these families are still living in Srinagar, while a few have migrated to Nepal and the Gulf countries. Today, there are around 250 families of Tibetan Muslims in Srinagar, mostly in the Hawal and Idgah areas. A number of these families are engaged in fine embroidery work of Kashmiri carpets, while others have set up their own businesses, says Nasir Qazi of the Tibetan Muslim Youth Federation — a body that works for the welfare of the community. The community remains a close-knit one and, for many of them, Tibet remains an emotive issue. Recently for instance, the Tibetan Muslim Youth Federation took out a peace march in Srinagar to show solidarity with the Dalai Lama's views on granting of autonomous status to Tibet. And, in case a solution is found, would they like to go back to Tibet? "Maybe not for settling down, since most of us have been born and brought up in India," says Qazi. "But once, I would definitely like to go there — to visit the Potala palace, the landscape that we have heard so much about and to see for myself the land where our forefathers lived." So, the Dalia lama can show tolerance for others?
i´m a curious portuguese on this matter as well as on budhism but for what i could see in more then 3 hours of reading and visualization, is that you guys worship that image as a god or something like a represantation that gets more important then bhuda itself. in my opinion that´s not bhudism it´s shugdenism. in both positions and reports are huge diferences you guys insult all the time use a lot of adjectifs and personal attacks. in catholic terms i see this as lutherans or evangelics becomed putting saints or prophets or even priests in higher worshiping and reliyng more in them then jesus or god itself. in teological terms your attitude is absurd, bhudism i understand it as a study of the mind behavouring and to close it in a representation is obscure and reductor, one thing is rituals and mandalas as you call them other thing is to worship in a cult term one image or representation that´s not bhudism for mee, you guys strenght their position by being agressive, defendind the image more then the teological structure so you guys are restraining your own spiritual liberty. sorry for felling compeled to write to you but it really didn´t felt right the way this western production of riot within bhudism is appearing. for your information i only today i got knowledge of this situation now i´ve seen all the videos you have and the responses to it and this is my conclusion and what i´m going to feel, think and talck about it. feel free to answer mee and clear upi anything you guys think you can.
Dear anonymous,Here are some facts:1. Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, so Shugden practitioners are Buddhists2. Dorje Shugden is not more important than Buddha Shakyamuni but the Dalai Lama wants you to believe that Shugden practitioners think like this.3. Shugden practitioners are not attacking the Dalai Lama but simply stating facts. The Dalai Lama has lied about this issue, we're showing how.4. The Dalai Lama has destroyed the religious freedom of Shugden practitioners who have been forced to give up their practice and who, if they refuse, are denied basic human rights such as food, medicine, education and freedom to travel5. The Dalai Lama's political ban of a religious practice is the sole cause of all these problems and he alone can stop them by rescinding the ban.
Reading this blog, I felt really helpless. So much of ignorance from both sides to the extend that upholding our ignorance is more important than upholding the most fundamental Buddhist 5 precepts. I read somewhere above posted by one of the member, that in order to fight for the freedom in worshipping Dorje Sudgen, it leaves them no choice but to go all out to discredit and taint Dalai Lama's reputation. This is againts the 5 precepts that Buddha has so clearly laid down. So does it mean Dorje Sudgen is more important than Buddha?As I am writing this, I do ponder myself maybe I don't understand the pain that Dorje Sudgen's worshippers go thru. I have been practicing Buddha Medicine for a couple of years now. I have tremendous faith in Buddha Medicine. Sometimes I wonder what happens if a higher authority challenges that Buddha Medicine is evil and the practice of Buddha Medicine need to be banned. Frankly I would just laugh it off. As the Yogacara's school taught, reality is just what our mind perceived. Ultimately Buddha Medicine too is lack of inherent existence, so is there really a good and bad?Buddha has likened his teaching to a raft, once we have crossed the river, we have to discard the raft. Being so, why do we have to be attached to the means so much to the extend we are willing to hurt someone be it emotionally or physically.I humbly urge fellow Buddhist as well as respectable sanghas to stop this war of words which will lead to the detriment of Buddhism.Thank you
Dear friends,As per information received from the High Court of India,New Delhi,I am told,that there was a recent hearing on the Dorje Shugden case on the 14th of september.This was the 3rd hearing in response to a riposte,that had earlier been provided by the Advocate of the Dalai Lama-that too,after a lapse of 9 and a half months-precisely speaking!The 3rd Judge in question,was unlike the 2nd,who had expressed reservations and unwillingness to dictate a ruling-as a decision-but,on the contrary was also open to the re-addressal of the affair.This Judge,as pointed,dismissed the Dalai Lama's arguments as inconvincing,further asserting,that,'there was sufficient documentation of evidence available to prove that the Dalai Lama was in fact and indeed,persecuting followers of the deity Dorje Shugden and,that this would have to cease henceforth.A notice in this regards would be sent to the DL as a warning to desist.Notwithstanding which,the Judge declared,that punitive measures would be initiated,would the DL not restrain from his persecutive acts.Apparently,Dharamsala is mysteriously silent,and this is not new!They are probably contemplating on the next course of action-whatever it may be.The Tibetans are a beguiled lot.It is possible that they may contemplate peaceful and voilent means--or,on the contrary behave as if nothing has happened!Please spread this news to all concerned.Kundeling.
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